Hello all,

I suppose I jumped the gun (no pun intended) for posting this without giving it public air first. I apologize!

From reading the news abroad as well as seeing the uptake in military activity, I would like public feedback regarding a decrease in taxes for the weapons industry (both in sales and in production). As a citizen, I have come to realize that purchasing weapons is relatively difficult to do unless you have a high salary, and that building a stronger weapons manufacturing base may help us improve our military strength as a whole. If weapons are too expensive, some may not buy (especially younger citizens). Also, a decrease in taxes can lower HV's costs for weapons (if indeed, it pays them).

I would love to hear any and all feedback for these ideas.

I remain always,

Mink Deadly
Representative from Sørlandet

Well, I guess, seeing as weapons are very popular, they make up a large portion of our tax income, and we all know we sorely need that. I really wish we had some figures that could tell us where most of our income came from.

If taxes are lowered, it could mean less money made by Norwegian businessmen :/

Although in the longrun lower import taxes are good as they lower weapon prices, i think Vat should be kept fine though.

In Demokratenes party program. we suggest to lower or remove the VAT on weapons and food. So the enorwegian citizen get more out of their money:)

to lower or remove the VAT wont hurt the buisniss managers, because they dont get money out of the VAT. only the norwegian state do, and the norwegian state can survive without the VAT on food and weapons:) its only for the good of the citizens:)

You know, the VAT on weapons and food is our main income. Do you have any numbers you can present to prove that eNorway can survive without these taxes?

Also, while we might "survive" without VAT on these products, we won't have as much money to use oon the army and other aspects f the game.

i will suggest to lower it to 1% then well have some income, and i dont think the VAT is our main income, our main income is from our buisnisses:)

Do you have any numbers that prove that eNorway wont survuve with a VAT on 1% on food and weapons?

eNorway will do just fine:) its no point in having the VAT that high. it wont be any problems at all to lower it to 1% we will still have money to all we want:) its bether to have a little less income and stonger and ritcher citizens, then alot of income, and weak and poore citizens.

Uh... What businesses do the state earn money from?

The income tax.. when buisnisses withdraw their money thei have earned. money will go into the state, they pay taxes to youknow:)

No businessmen do that Kenneth. Everyone transfer the funds through MM to avoid those taxes.

Also, for a q1 weapon, the VAT is 0.2 NOK or so, how much richer and stronger will each citizen get by saving that?

Maybe someone of the most experienced players do that cirno:) but all the buisniss owners that aint that experienced dont do it:) and if i where you, i would not give anyone tips to do it, so new buisniss owners pay they taxes:)

and in a q5 hospital region, people fight atleast 5 times pr day. that means 1 nok every day. when your a young citizen, that could mean that he afford food and weapons, and not only one of them

and if its only 0.2 nok for a q1 weapon, its bether that the citizens are saving that money, then that the norwegian state are getting uit, its bether with strong citizens and individuals then a strong state and weak citizens

There is a reason Immigrasjonsverket was made. The 20 nok campaign should be enough to feed the citizen with weapons for 20 days by your logic on the taxation. Also, the price for the food should also be half of you daily pay at skill level one. You cannot fight until you are level 5 anyways so that leaves you at skill level 2 or 3. Giving you quite a lot of money. You cant fight every day with 5 weapons, no. But that is also why eHV exists. So you can get weapons free. You see. All these taxes goes back into making the citizens safer. Be it through MPPs or hospitals.

i know why immigrasjonsverket was made. i made it:P

but i think that the people should get more out of their money, citizens from lvl 5-9 dont have so much money, and no mather what lvl you are, you should get more out of your money:) food and weapons

Of course, but the amount you get from removing taxes will not be enough to satisfy your thirst. Also. Removing that 1NOK per citizen per day of fighting will hurt the Norwegian economy more than it will gain through the amount of money the citizen gets. I have a stock of 600 NOK just being there as my reserve. I know its not a lot, but it gives me the ability to fight with Q1 weapons every time.

Point being. 600/600 is still just 1. Decreasing taxes will not increase usage. If a weapon only cost 1 NOK it would help as that would be one weapon extra per day. But then the tax from said weapon would be even less. Today, it would take 8 days and some to earn one weapon from this taxation. And that is if you buy 5 weapons each day. No low level citizen can do this anyhow. At max a Q1 weapon every other day.

To be honest, i would rather want every citizen to know about eHV and consider it as a viable option to get weapons. Increasing funding to said army would then benefit the citizens in a bigger degree than removing the tax.

I can barely afford food + 5 q1 guns a day on my skill 11 wage, expecting young citizens to be able to do the same is kinda pulling it a bit far.

And those cents each saves, makes quite a little income for the state, and I think we're spending it well. Either way, we're actually making less in taxes now that what would be ideal compared to our expenses. So saying we can cut our taxes and still afford everything is not completely true.

No, we did it (:


Levels 5 to 9 pass quickly, and after that it's very easy to make money in Norway. All new citizens get what they need to survive the first couple of weeks. That is all they can expect if they want our country to keep growing and improving in various ways.

i camed with the idea and formed the suggestion to get an Immigrasjonsverk in eNorway. then i suggested it in congress after talking about it in Gullpartiet and we all agreed that we wanted an IV:) then i managed the starting fase of IV.

and if we lowerd the VAT on food and weapons young citizens would maybe not get a extra weapon every day, but they will get the food an their tables, many times, people dont really know the game very well, and they have problems with getting food on the table. give the people more valuta for their money:) to lower the Vat from 5 and 3 % to 1-2 % will not hurt norway:)

and i dont know very much about HV, but after what i know about it, i dont think its a very good idea. instead of dealing out weapons to citizens, why not just dont do it, and give the money to the people, and let them decide what they want to use it on:)? or have i misunderstand the meaning of HV?

i wounder why both BP and TeK say they are libertarian partys, when they show socialistic ways to do things:)

Because we are not intervening with how the businesses are run. Only affecting them.

You know, I really don't see a difference.